It's interesting Soup, that you mention 'archangels' related to the your earlier comments. Steiner often spoke about them in reference to what he called 'orders of creation'. I remember playing with Steiner's ideas and relating them to our understanding of dimensions and how this would help us recognize the activity of 'archangels' in our 3d perceptual realm. They are beyond polarity, as we experience it. Jesus told people that there is no male and female in the Kindom of God. (As he understood it, of course, or as we have record of what may have been said, now, which may be very inaccurate, too.) And in one place, there is an idea that we, meaning human beings, are the eyes of the archangels. That was always an intriguing thought to me, when pondering and trying to understand it all, and how we relate to the larger cosmos. Some use the terms timelords and archangels interchangeably. And they have also been associated with the Spirit of the People, the FolkSpirit. A movement across humanity as a whole, rather than specific individuals. (Odd sidenote: for a very long time, every clairvoyant who could see around me mentioned seeing the Archangel Gabriel?? Also, had an unusual energetic experience once with someone referred to as Metatron. At the time, I had never heard of that name. It felt familiar, but I had not heard of it. I did some asking around about it, and I had to do a little bit of research to learn more. I don't know what I think about either of these.) Who are the ancients you mention here?